Dear Ram
Ram: Just wanted to say that "I" here means the Real Self/Spirit/Consciousness. It is the same way as Jesus
and Krishna have said centuries ago, "I am the Spirit, I am the Life, I am the Truth, I am the Love, I am
the Awareness, I am the Joy..............etc. "I" is not the subjective "I".
I am really pleased that you brought this point of discussion up because followers of religion usually interpret this "I Am"
statements to the Prophets and Manifestions that have ushered in Dispensations and brought Books and thus did not apply
it to themselves. In this Day we are definitely meant to apply it to ourselves and stop being 'followers' but rather cognizant
of our own I AM presence. So I am truly happy that you brought this current interpretation and understanding before us. I
do think we need to connect/define the sayings Real Self and I Am God/ess (so that people understand that they now
apply to us - and so they won't think our Portal is just being new age sacraligious as they only believe it applies to the
Teachers/Masters/Prophets. BIG UNDERSTANDING
BTW, the way that this page is presently working is that you have to put the p inside of brackets <> to make separations
of the paragraphs so it doesn't all run into one. Hope this helps.
With the living light of love, Starr*
--- On Mon, Dec 15, 2008, in msg266208,
Ram Varma wrote ---
Hi Bruce, Starr*, et all,
Nice to see "Unconditional Love" taking its due recognition in our portal unity initiative.
Also, dear Starr*, you have quoted:
>>>“I am one of the sustaining pillars of the Primal Word of God. Whosoever hath recognized Me, hath
known all that is true and right…I am the Primal Point* from which have been generated all created
things."<<<
Just wanted to say that "I" here means the Real Self/Spirit/Consciousness. It is the same way as Jesus
and Krishna have said centuries ago, "I am the Spirit, I am the Life, I am the Truth, I am the Love, I am
the Awareness, I am the Joy..............etc. "I" is not the subjective "I". Rather it is the spiritual "I" that
is all +more as said above.
Just a respectful comment for clarification purposes.
In Love and Awareness together........Ram
--- On Mon, Dec 15, 2008, in msg266206,
Starr* Saffa wrote ---
Hi Bruce
Here is an excerpt from the Bab where he is claiming mirroring forth the Word of God from the Primal
Point of Creation.
“I am one of the sustaining pillars of the Primal Word of God.
Whosoever hath recognized Me, hath known all that is true and right…I
am the Primal Point* from which have been generated all created
things."
In today's science we would probably see this as a holographic configuration where energy waves nest
in one direction
through the center of the torus (geometric part of the holograph) and then back to Primal Point in the
other direction
through the torus nesting Point, thus conforming to the magnetic poles of the waves of love going
from the Primal Point to
the physical world and the waves going back to the Primal Point for further generation. This is Source
love for the creation
and the creation's love for Source in action, where love is in the form of tachyon type energy (faster
than light). The
sacred place within us allows us to receive and send this Light (love, knowledge, etc). This is how love
waves become the
bonding force of the universe. *Please note it is our Consciousness that is projected to the physcial - we
are not really in
the holograph - but because of the projection we are able to interact as described above (all is always at
Point Source).
*We too can mirror forth Primal Point Knowledge.
So in the very center of Portal Unity is Love (the intent energy that moves waves of knowledge and
understanding
between poles - from God to human and human to God - ongoing co-creation through the torus or
Portal to Unity).
This explanantion may not be in your lingo - but please try and see what I am trying to explain and put
it into language
that you think will work for our project (The Primal Point from which all created things are generated -
the Point of Primal
Consciousness from which all things come into Being). The Point of Source which contains all knowledge
and from which
holographic consciousness is displayed. I think it is important to see that co-creation happens by our
hearts (where our
Consciiousness connects) sending information of intent and experience back to the Source Point.
Hope you can catch some of what I am on about in a way that is meaningful to our project of Portal
Unity so we
understand how and why love becomes the pivitol Point, Starr*
--- On Mon, Dec 15, 2008, in msg266199,
Bruce Schuman wrote ---
Good morning.
Well, for me -- this concept of "point" is something I have lived with all my life...
When I was going to college, as an undergraduate at the University of California at Santa Cruz -- in
the late 1960's! -- I
was very influenced by the concept of "center point". I think the source of that thinking was the
theology of Paul Tillich,
and his concept of "Ultimate Concern", and he talked about Center.
About that time, I started calling everything I was doing "ORIGIN" -- which had various
meanings...
One, that emerged for me a few years later, was Original Research In General Information
Networks. That was an
acronym, that I created to get the name listed in the phone book.
But the core idea was a conjunction of mathematics, engineering, and metaphysics. I was
interested in "mandala",
and had drawn hundreds of mandala -- circular diagrams with a center-point.
So, I began exploring the idea -- that "there is an absolute center to reality" -- defined, shall we
say, at a very high
level ("the highest") of abstraction. And, I supposed, we could understand this idea in several
overlapping ways, that
brought together several different "languages" or academic disciplines.
What I was saying then was
-
This "ORIGIN" is the center-point of a mandala -- and of "the universal mandala" -- the "mandala
of all
mandalas"
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This center-point can be understood as "the origin of a coordinate system in Cartesian space" --
ie, the zero-point
in an n-dimension coordinate frame
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Or, put another way -- a mandala can be understood as a kind of intuitive/artistic coordinate
frame...
So, it became a big deal for me to locate everything relative to this absolute center. Everything is
organized around it.
It is "the center of all reality". Anything where ORIGIN is not the center -- is "maya", illusion, a partial
view, a local and
eclipsed view...
Back in those days, "cybernetics" was a big field of study. Lots of system-theory ideas were coming
together.
So, I just generally decided -- that all of reality has one highest center-point -- and that the key and
magical/mystical
principle we are experiencing today -- is a kind of transition from a vague and unconscious awareness of
this center-point,
which many can feel, but nobody can articulate -- to a conscious, explicit, exactly-defined
and "purposefully-intended"
absolute center-point of being.
With my little portable typewriter, I tried to write a book or thesis on this theme, which I
called "The Postulation of
ORIGIN". The idea was -- this act of "intentional postulation" -- was the fundamental turning-point of
history. Once this
center-point was "postulated" and affirmed and actualized, all of reality would forever and absolutely be
shifted -- from a
confused state of interdependent mayic fragments, into an integral universal holism where the
relationships between
anything and anything else was held in a single integral framework -- conscious, explicit,
intentional...
So -- that book was too big of a project. But the idea never went away.
In the mid-1990's, I bought the domain name "origin.org" -- and one of these days, I am guessing --
we are going to
see how and why that little "dot" in the middle of everything -- in the middle of cyberspace -- is going
to be understood as
the key to interconnecting everything into one holistic integral unity...
--- On Mon, Dec 15, 2008, in msg266196, S´ace G root wrote --- Interesting
Question ~ What is a Point?
is it just a word or was it at first/in origin an abbreviation or a "greater & broadband meaning"
beyond?
many people may draw and come forward with a "meaning beyond the p.o.i.n.t." ( incl. 5 points,
eh ... 6! :)
a S'hot:
P lanetary
O mega
I ntegral
Native
Trans-action / -cedance / -formation / ... [ add y'ours ]
~~~ serious as F ever ~~~
S';-)>~~~ ace
co*sider this as a MS PoWherePoint in the Guinness Book of Records as the most tiny POINT
considering its
ImPact ...
here an image that spells a POINT in 27 pixels as a Dolphin Flow of 27 DAYS ...
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