Love and Blessings - Starr*

--- On Mon, Dec 15, 2008, in msg266216, Ram Varma wrote --- Hi dear Starr*,

All I am recommending in both the paragraphs is that the emphasis in any teaching need to be directed towards the Realization of the Self. One should not be lost in the ritualistic/conventional practice and the person who gives the practice. Any one who takes you towards the Source and calls upon your attentional focus on That to establish your own connection with That is really being helpful and not stealing your attention on himself/herself. Ongoing "Awareness"/ caution is warranted in this respect.

Again, it simply means that God which is without form and undivided; that splendour which is not made and which has neither beginning nor end is the One fit to be focused on and that alone is all. The foremost articles used in this contemplation are wisdom/awareness. self-control and the perception of of the Self in all the beings. Any discipline or any teacher who encourages or shows this way is worthy of respect and admiration. Focus on this Truth is the real focus as the portal to unity. Rest is only the motions one goes through to be One with That.

Hope it clarifies. If still you think there is some conflict, let's iron it out, dear Starr*.

Love and Best Wishes......Ram

--- On Mon, Dec 15, 2008, in msg266213, Starr* Saffa wrote --- Hi dear Ram - These two paragraphs seem contradictory? When I wrote that Tahirih opened the portal for direct connection with Source I think it aligns with the second paragraph. I think the first paragraph aligns with All being in Primal Point - could you please clarify so I can determine more clearly exactly what the differences/supports are.

Ram: Gita makes it very clear: " No knowing my Supreme Nature, immutable and transcendent, unwise people think that I, the Unmanifest, am especially endowed with a manifest form"...7.24

From my own personal journey I have understood that when "I Am" is directed to certain forms and demi-gods, it leads to only a limited knowing/understanding and experiencing. Although such a practice is useful in the beginning of the journey. However to go towards the Infinite Unmanifest Supreme Consciousness, the aspirant has to go beyond the limited formful to the unlimited formless eternal being in a direct realization way of the Spirit/Self/Consciousness (i.e. no one in between as a medium). That's why constant dwelling on the Infinite eternal Consciousness that underlies all that is manifest. And rejecting that is limited and finite in this infinite journey.

Thank you - Starr*

Having said the above, I may however add that when a person is deeply attached to the formful aspect of realization, it is very difficult to move beyond the manifest. As the Teachers/Masters; generally speaking; do not encourage this shift of consciousness beacuse of many self-interests. The good news, however, is that when the pure desire/will is present in a person for Self-connection, Universe- connection and Source-connection, the orchestrating energy of the Nature opens many doors. All it requires is absolutely pure desire for the miraculous experience, courage, persistence and self-alertness. In the process, come all the practice points we recently identified in our unity portal initiative.

Wishing every one the above mentioned three-way connection and soul to soul dialogues/relationships! And thanks so much Starr* for para-break help.

-Ram

--- On Mon, Dec 15, 2008, in msg266208, Ram Varma wrote --- Hi Bruce, Starr*, et all, Nice to see "Unconditional Love" taking its due recognition in our portal unity initiative. Also, dear Starr*, you have quoted: >>>“I am one of the sustaining pillars of the Primal Word of God. Whosoever hath recognized Me, hath known all that is true and right…I am the Primal Point* from which have been generated all created things."<<< Just wanted to say that "I" here means the Real Self/Spirit/Consciousness. It is the same way as Jesus and Krishna have said centuries ago, "I am the Spirit, I am the Life, I am the Truth, I am the Love, I am the Awareness, I am the Joy..............etc. "I" is not the subjective "I". Rather it is the spiritual "I" that is all +more as said above. Just a respectful comment for clarification purposes. In Love and Awareness together........Ram --- On Mon, Dec 15, 2008, in msg266206, Starr* Saffa wrote --- Hi Bruce Here is an excerpt from the Bab where he is claiming mirroring forth the Word of God from the Primal Point of Creation.

“I am one of the sustaining pillars of the Primal Word of God. Whosoever hath recognized Me, hath known all that is true and right…I am the Primal Point* from which have been generated all created things."

In today's science we would probably see this as a holographic configuration where energy waves nest in one direction through the center of the torus (geometric part of the holograph) and then back to Primal Point in the other direction through the torus nesting Point, thus conforming to the magnetic poles of the waves of love going from the Primal Point to the physical world and the waves going back to the Primal Point for further generation. This is Source love for the creation and the creation's love for Source in action, where love is in the form of tachyon type energy (faster than light). The sacred place within us allows us to receive and send this Light (love, knowledge, etc). This is how love waves become the bonding force of the universe. *Please note it is our Consciousness that is projected to the physcial - we are not really in the holograph - but because of the projection we are able to interact as described above (all is always at Point Source).

*We too can mirror forth Primal Point Knowledge.

So in the very center of Portal Unity is Love (the intent energy that moves waves of knowledge and understanding between poles - from God to human and human to God - ongoing co-creation through the torus or Portal to Unity).

This explanantion may not be in your lingo - but please try and see what I am trying to explain and put it into language that you think will work for our project (The Primal Point from which all created things are generated - the Point of Primal Consciousness from which all things come into Being). The Point of Source which contains all knowledge and from which holographic consciousness is displayed. I think it is important to see that co-creation happens by our hearts (where our Consciiousness connects) sending information of intent and experience back to the Source Point.

Hope you can catch some of what I am on about in a way that is meaningful to our project of Portal Unity so we understand how and why love becomes the pivitol Point, Starr*

--- On Mon, Dec 15, 2008, in msg266199, Bruce Schuman wrote ---

Good morning.

Well, for me -- this concept of "point" is something I have lived with all my life...

When I was going to college, as an undergraduate at the University of California at Santa Cruz -- in the late 1960's! -- I was very influenced by the concept of "center point".  I think the source of that thinking was the theology of Paul Tillich, and his concept of "Ultimate Concern", and he talked about Center.

About that time, I started calling everything I was doing "ORIGIN" -- which had various meanings...

One, that emerged for me a few years later, was Original Research In General Information Networks.  That was an acronym, that I created to get the name listed in the phone book.

But the core idea was a conjunction of mathematics, engineering, and metaphysics.  I was interested in "mandala", and had drawn hundreds of mandala -- circular diagrams with a center-point.

So, I began exploring the idea -- that "there is an absolute center to reality" -- defined, shall we say, at a very high level ("the highest") of abstraction.  And, I supposed, we could understand this idea in several overlapping ways, that brought together several different "languages" or academic disciplines.

What I was saying then was

1. This "ORIGIN" is the center-point of a mandala -- and of "the universal mandala" -- the "mandala of all mandalas"
2. This center-point can be understood as "the origin of a coordinate system in Cartesian space" -- ie, the zero-point in an n-dimension coordinate frame
3. Or, put another way -- a mandala can be understood as a kind of intuitive/artistic coordinate frame...

So, it became a big deal for me to locate everything relative to this absolute center.  Everything is organized around it.  It is "the center of all reality".  Anything where ORIGIN is not the center -- is "maya", illusion, a partial view, a local and eclipsed view...

Back in those days, "cybernetics" was a big field of study.  Lots of system-theory ideas were coming together.

So, I just generally decided -- that all of reality has one highest center-point -- and that the key and magical/mystical principle we are experiencing today -- is a kind of transition from a vague and unconscious awareness of this center-point, which many can feel, but nobody can articulate -- to a conscious, explicit, exactly-defined and "purposefully-intended" absolute center-point of being.

With my little portable typewriter, I tried to write a book or thesis on this theme, which I called "The Postulation of ORIGIN".  The idea was -- this act of "intentional postulation" -- was the fundamental turning-point of history.  Once this center-point was "postulated" and affirmed and actualized, all of reality would forever and absolutely be shifted -- from a confused state of interdependent mayic fragments, into an integral universal holism where the relationships between anything and anything else was held in a single integral framework -- conscious, explicit, intentional...

So -- that book was too big of a project.  But the idea never went away.  

In the mid-1990's, I bought the domain name "origin.org" -- and one of these days, I am guessing -- we are going to see how and why that little "dot" in the middle of everything -- in the middle of cyberspace -- is going to be understood as the key to interconnecting everything into one holistic integral unity...

--- On Mon, Dec 15, 2008, in msg266196, S´ace G root wrote --- Interesting Question ~ What is a Point?

is it just a word or was it at first/in origin an abbreviation or a "greater & broadband meaning" beyond?

many people may draw and come forward with a "meaning beyond the p.o.i.n.t." ( incl. 5 points, eh ... 6! :)

a S'hot:

P lanetary

O mega

I ntegral

Native

Trans-action / -cedance / -formation / ... [ add y'ours ]

~~~ serious as F ever ~~~

S';-)>~~~ ace

co*sider this as a MS PoWherePoint in the Guinness Book of Records as the most tiny POINT considering its ImPact ...

here an image that spells a POINT in 27 pixels as a Dolphin Flow of 27 DAYS ...

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